Comments on: New BART cars: demo model by 2014 http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/06/new-bart-cars-demo-model-by-2014/ Putting Transit On The Fast Track™ Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:42:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Nichobot http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/06/new-bart-cars-demo-model-by-2014/#comment-341 Nichobot Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:42:38 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=807#comment-341 2028, eh? Did BART ever think about how these cars will be about 20 years outdated once they get them all out and running? 2028, eh? Did BART ever think about how these cars will be about 20 years outdated once they get them all out and running?

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By: Vancouverboy http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/06/new-bart-cars-demo-model-by-2014/#comment-329 Vancouverboy Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=807#comment-329 Living in Vancouver Canada, we have articulated trains for all of three of our skytrain lines (albeit, 2 different systems) with no real concern in regard to trains have glitches. Worrying about taking a WHOLE train out of service if something happens on a single car is not a concern. With headways as low as 108 seconds, loosing one train is NOT a tragedy. Granted BART only comes every 10-15 minutes, so loosing one train can be detrimental, but with the new trains, these headways will be drastically lowered, no? Also, we have spare track sections throughout our system that allows for trains to be parked all over in case of "surge" needs.... or a dead train needing replacement. Does the BART system have a similar setup? Living in Vancouver Canada, we have articulated trains for all of three of our skytrain lines (albeit, 2 different systems) with no real concern in regard to trains have glitches. Worrying about taking a WHOLE train out of service if something happens on a single car is not a concern. With headways as low as 108 seconds, loosing one train is NOT a tragedy. Granted BART only comes every 10-15 minutes, so loosing one train can be detrimental, but with the new trains, these headways will be drastically lowered, no?

Also, we have spare track sections throughout our system that allows for trains to be parked all over in case of “surge” needs…. or a dead train needing replacement. Does the BART system have a similar setup?

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By: Jersey Mike http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/06/new-bart-cars-demo-model-by-2014/#comment-250 Jersey Mike Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:04:56 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=807#comment-250 Plastic bench seats? Oh god, that's horrible. BART is not a Metro system, it is a commuter railroad that runs on an isolated network. It charges premium fares and riders should expect a premium ride. Dump the carpeting, dump the plush seats if you must, but hard plastic will be a disaster for the riding public, especially those boarding near the end of the line. BART is most similar to the DC Metro and DC has no intention of using hard plastic or complete bench seating. What you should be agitating for is a front view out the trains so riders can get some visual enjoyment for their fare. Also articulated trainsets are a huge flexibility issues. A problem in any one car takes a whole train out of service. Transit vehicles are not some sort of trendy Vodka bar. They need to be practical. Plastic bench seats? Oh god, that’s horrible. BART is not a Metro system, it is a commuter railroad that runs on an isolated network. It charges premium fares and riders should expect a premium ride. Dump the carpeting, dump the plush seats if you must, but hard plastic will be a disaster for the riding public, especially those boarding near the end of the line.

BART is most similar to the DC Metro and DC has no intention of using hard plastic or complete bench seating.

What you should be agitating for is a front view out the trains so riders can get some visual enjoyment for their fare.

Also articulated trainsets are a huge flexibility issues. A problem in any one car takes a whole train out of service. Transit vehicles are not some sort of trendy Vodka bar. They need to be practical.

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By: ian http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/06/new-bart-cars-demo-model-by-2014/#comment-107 ian Wed, 06 May 2009 23:22:37 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=807#comment-107 articulated cars should be a must — even if it means units of two or three cars to provide flexibility in length as they use now. (unless there's an articulated trainset that can be decoupled easily on the market). a huge problem with bart is that the middle of the train in really crowded, and the ends have open seats. having articulated trainsets would really help mitigate the crowding... articulated cars should be a must — even if it means units of two or three cars to provide flexibility in length as they use now. (unless there’s an articulated trainset that can be decoupled easily on the market).

a huge problem with bart is that the middle of the train in really crowded, and the ends have open seats. having articulated trainsets would really help mitigate the crowding…

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