Comments on: The Oakland Airport Connector: Bringing cable cars back to the Bay Area! (maybe) http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/16/the-oakland-airport-connector-bringing-back-cable-cars-to-the-bay-area-maybe/ Putting Transit On The Fast Trackā„¢ Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:42:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: A warm welcome to this year’s new Oakland bloggers. You guys rock! : A Better Oakland http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/16/the-oakland-airport-connector-bringing-back-cable-cars-to-the-bay-area-maybe/#comment-336 A warm welcome to this year’s new Oakland bloggers. You guys rock! : A Better Oakland Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:26:16 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=937#comment-336 [...] Switching Modes author and I do not tend to share the same perspective about what is or is not a wise transportation investment. Nevertheless, it’s well written, and challenges to one’s perspective are always [...] [...] Switching Modes author and I do not tend to share the same perspective about what is or is not a wise transportation investment. Nevertheless, it’s well written, and challenges to one’s perspective are always [...]

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By: Steven Dale http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/16/the-oakland-airport-connector-bringing-back-cable-cars-to-the-bay-area-maybe/#comment-332 Steven Dale Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:19:28 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=937#comment-332 Personally I'm a big fan of Cable Propelled Transit (CPT). Luckily, the writer of this post recognizes the value of the technology. Too many people think cable is a "niche" technology that's too expensive and slow. When you actually look at the research, however, you quickly learn that the exact opposite is true. I'm trying to rectify that disconnect between the perception and reality of cable over at www.gondolaproject.com if you feel like checking it out. Great post! Personally I’m a big fan of Cable Propelled Transit (CPT). Luckily, the writer of this post recognizes the value of the technology. Too many people think cable is a “niche” technology that’s too expensive and slow. When you actually look at the research, however, you quickly learn that the exact opposite is true. I’m trying to rectify that disconnect between the perception and reality of cable over at http://www.gondolaproject.com if you feel like checking it out. Great post!

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By: Switching Modes http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/16/the-oakland-airport-connector-bringing-back-cable-cars-to-the-bay-area-maybe/#comment-173 Switching Modes Sat, 23 May 2009 18:55:47 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=937#comment-173 kdk: Personally I don't like the job creation argument. It's too short term. However is there is a project that will improve the economic competitiveness of a city, then it can be worthewhile on those grounds. I do think the project discussed here is important for the city of Oakland on economic grounds: a business choosing to located in Oaklnad would not look highly upon the BART AirBus. I mean, Shanghai has a Maglev... (not saying that would be good here though). Also, this project does something that may not be very ostensible, but is nonetheless important: it connects another important transit node in the Bay area to the rail network. This might seem like a small, but it isn't. Even if a person may only use this thing once a year, perhaps even less, it is very important for people choosing to switch modes - to no longer own a car - they know that they can get to far flung places around the Bay such as Airports. AND, that they can do so as, if not more, reliably than taking a car. In other words, this project makes the entire BART system and the transit system, such as the Central Subway, that connect to BART more valuable. kdk: Personally I don’t like the job creation argument. It’s too short term. However is there is a project that will improve the economic competitiveness of a city, then it can be worthewhile on those grounds. I do think the project discussed here is important for the city of Oakland on economic grounds: a business choosing to located in Oaklnad would not look highly upon the BART AirBus. I mean, Shanghai has a Maglev… (not saying that would be good here though).

Also, this project does something that may not be very ostensible, but is nonetheless important: it connects another important transit node in the Bay area to the rail network. This might seem like a small, but it isn’t. Even if a person may only use this thing once a year, perhaps even less, it is very important for people choosing to switch modes – to no longer own a car – they know that they can get to far flung places around the Bay such as Airports. AND, that they can do so as, if not more, reliably than taking a car. In other words, this project makes the entire BART system and the transit system, such as the Central Subway, that connect to BART more valuable.

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By: kdk http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/16/the-oakland-airport-connector-bringing-back-cable-cars-to-the-bay-area-maybe/#comment-172 kdk Sat, 23 May 2009 08:15:27 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=937#comment-172 i love rail and cable cars as much as anyone, but this project makes no sense. you would spend hundreds of millions of dollars to improve travel times and reliability on a 15 minute bus ride on uncongested surface streets? and lower operating costs, are you serious? i think as rail advocates, we should pick our battles carefully. this project has been about job creation from day one. although it has its own issues, i'd argue the Central Subway project in SF makes much more sense considering potential benefits (and potential ridership). i love rail and cable cars as much as anyone, but this project makes no sense. you would spend hundreds of millions of dollars to improve travel times and reliability on a 15 minute bus ride on uncongested surface streets? and lower operating costs, are you serious? i think as rail advocates, we should pick our battles carefully. this project has been about job creation from day one. although it has its own issues, i’d argue the Central Subway project in SF makes much more sense considering potential benefits (and potential ridership).

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By: Switching Modes http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/16/the-oakland-airport-connector-bringing-back-cable-cars-to-the-bay-area-maybe/#comment-139 Switching Modes Sat, 16 May 2009 23:38:51 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=937#comment-139 <B>System:</B> The way I proposed that the airport connector could be built would be what is called a "Cable Liner Single Bypass System." This means that there would be two trains that pass each other halfway along the line. <B>Headway times:</B> Length: 3.2 miles Average Speed: 22 MPH Dwell time: 1 minute and 15 seconds ------- <I>Headway time: 10 minutes</I> <B>Passenger Improvements over Existing System:</B>Level platform boardingReliabilityShorter trip timeSingle fare (no need to go through stalls and then pay for bus)Arrive closer to check in than with busSmoother rideMore comfortable rideNo need to cross traffic when dropped off by bus to enter airportSafer feel - do not have to enter Oakland neighborhood on footBetter station amenitiesElectronic information systems <B>Operational Improvements:</B>Lower operating costs (no fuel, very little electricity used, no driver, just two vehicles as opposed to fleet of buses)Greater capacityUnified fare collection systemSuperior branding for BARTLong operational life of rail carsGreat advertising revenue possible <B>NOTE</B> Passenger studies indicate that unknown waiting time, especially when unreliable, is perceived by passenger as a longer period of time than it actually is. Vehicle ride time, when very comfortable, is usually perceived as shorter than it it actually is. When vehicle ride time is uncomfortable, such as on jerky bus, it is perceived as longer than it actually is. <I>Perception is reality</I>. <B>Conclusion:</B> There is significant benefits to this project over the existing bus service and alternative bus ideas. <B>Other info:</B> *If this system benefits the cities of the Bay Area economically, that will increase tax and sales revenue and will benefit the city in many ways. *See <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CABLE_Liner" rel="nofollow">this link</A> for the different configurations possible with this system* *These systems can approach 30 MPH. For example, the <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_Shuttle_Mexico" rel="nofollow">system in Mexico City</A> reaches 28 MPH. (faster is possible) *Most systems have only 1 minute dwell times *The systems can accelerate pretty fast and maintain the speed. I think 22 MPH average speed is possible. System:
The way I proposed that the airport connector could be built would be what is called a “Cable Liner Single Bypass System.” This means that there would be two trains that pass each other halfway along the line.

Headway times:
Length: 3.2 miles
Average Speed: 22 MPH
Dwell time: 1 minute and 15 seconds
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Headway time: 10 minutes

Passenger Improvements over Existing System:Level platform boardingReliabilityShorter trip timeSingle fare (no need to go through stalls and then pay for bus)Arrive closer to check in than with busSmoother rideMore comfortable rideNo need to cross traffic when dropped off by bus to enter airportSafer feel – do not have to enter Oakland neighborhood on footBetter station amenitiesElectronic information systems

Operational Improvements:Lower operating costs (no fuel, very little electricity used, no driver, just two vehicles as opposed to fleet of buses)Greater capacityUnified fare collection systemSuperior branding for BARTLong operational life of rail carsGreat advertising revenue possible

NOTE
Passenger studies indicate that unknown waiting time, especially when unreliable, is perceived by passenger as a longer period of time than it actually is. Vehicle ride time, when very comfortable, is usually perceived as shorter than it it actually is. When vehicle ride time is uncomfortable, such as on jerky bus, it is perceived as longer than it actually is. Perception is reality.

Conclusion:
There is significant benefits to this project over the existing bus service and alternative bus ideas.

Other info:
*If this system benefits the cities of the Bay Area economically, that will increase tax and sales revenue and will benefit the city in many ways.

*See this link for the different configurations possible with this system*

*These systems can approach 30 MPH. For example, the system in Mexico City reaches 28 MPH. (faster is possible)

*Most systems have only 1 minute dwell times

*The systems can accelerate pretty fast and maintain the speed. I think 22 MPH average speed is possible.

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By: anonymouse http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/16/the-oakland-airport-connector-bringing-back-cable-cars-to-the-bay-area-maybe/#comment-135 anonymouse Sat, 16 May 2009 22:48:29 +0000 http://switchingmodes.com/?p=937#comment-135 So with two tracks and an end to end travel time of 12 minutes, the closest headway they can reasonably expect is 13 minutes, but to sync up with BART schedules and for reliability, it'll probably be 15 minutes. Which is worse than the 10 minute headway of the existing AirBART. How again is this an improvement? So with two tracks and an end to end travel time of 12 minutes, the closest headway they can reasonably expect is 13 minutes, but to sync up with BART schedules and for reliability, it’ll probably be 15 minutes. Which is worse than the 10 minute headway of the existing AirBART. How again is this an improvement?

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